Multithreaded Income Podcast

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I'm your host, Kevin Griffin.

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Kevin Griffin: Welcome
back to the show, everyone.

I am joined by my special
guest today, Corey Griffin.

Corey, how are you today?

Corey Griffin: Good.

Good.

How are you?

Kevin Griffin: Good.

Uh, and we have to say for the
record, there's no relation, uh,

Corey Griffin: Yeah.

Forgot about that.

Yeah.

Kevin Griffin: close enough, but
if you're, if you're watching

the video, you know, there.

There's no relation.

Chloe, I'm really glad
to have you here today.

Uh, I think we have a lot of really
interesting topics, um, but for the

crowd out there, who's never had
the opportunity to meet you or see

anything you've done on the internet,
uh, tell us a little bit about.

Yourself.

And what are you currently working on?

Corey Griffin: Yeah.

So I'm Corey Griffin.

I'm the, I'm currently
working on, um, speak flow.

I'm the founder and developer of,
um, that app or website rather.

Um, and I'm a software engineer,
designer, uh, musician.

I have a lot of hobbies, so I got
like photography, videography,

everything, but I'm mostly doing
software engineering as in terms

of how it relates to the internet.

And, uh, yeah, that's me have, I live
in Los Angeles, uh, two kids and a wife.

Kevin Griffin: we've known each
other for a couple of years now.

Um, and before you used to have a day
job, um, want to talk about kind of what

you did before you quit your day job.

Corey Griffin: So my most
recent job was Apple.

Um, I was working on the Apple music team.

Um, I was software engineer
there, mainly using Ruby on rails.

I know I could be a little technical.

Cause the multi threaded, um, so
we mainly use Ruby on Rails, which

is kind of surprising for a lot
of people when they hear that.

Um, but before that I worked at Shopify
Vox, Rotten Tomatoes, like if I had

a lot of jobs and this is just over
like the last like five to six years,

so definitely like a job hopper.

Kevin Griffin: I didn't realize you.

So I know you worked at Apple.

I actually didn't know you
worked at those other places.

That's really interesting to learn.

Uh, so you've kind of jumped all
around like Silicon Valley, right

Corey Griffin: remotely.

A lot of it.

Yeah.

A lot of it was yeah.

Yeah.

Remotely.

Right.

Um, a lot of it was based in LA.

So the last in person job that I had,
well, Apple, they did the hybrid thing.

But before that, the last in person
job I had was, uh, I run tomatoes

in Beverly hills, but, but yeah.

Kevin Griffin: We're going to talk
a little bit about speak flow.

Um, And I want to lead into, uh,
you were working on Speakflow

while working a full time job.

Um, so first for anyone out there
who's never heard of Speakflow,

tell us kind of what Speakflow does.

Corey Griffin: So speak flows
online teleprompter or like

a browser based teleprompter.

Um, that can do a lot, uh, basically
can follow your voice as you speak.

Um, it can sync multiple devices.

It has team features, so you
can collaborate on scripts.

Uh, you can record videos
in the browser with it.

Um, and yeah, kind of just like a
really good teleprompter software

as oddly specific as that is.

Kevin Griffin: How'd you come
up with the idea for Speakflow?

Corey Griffin: Um, So it was a
couple of years back and my wife

was on maternity leave and I decided
to, well, we had, we had a baby.

She was on maternity leave.

I was on paternity leave.

Um, and.

You know, you help as much as you can,
but it's not that much for you to do

as the father, like I'm not able to,
uh, breastfeed or anything like that.

So I would spend a lot of time like, all
right, like how about I'll try to record

some videos or, you know, I want to get
into content creation around that time.

Um, so this was with my first son.

I was recording videos and
realized I needed a teleprompter.

And as you can, as you just
saw, I'm not that great.

It's like speaking off the cuff like that.

So I needed a teleprompter.

Um, but my wife was busy with the baby.

So it's not like I had, I would have
her, I couldn't have her just come back

here and, you know, try to scroll for me.

So I was like, Oh, you know, I'll
try to scroll with your voice.

See how that goes.

So I made a version that does that.

Um, and it was totally free.

I put it up online.

Cause I was like, it's useful.

Um, and it was free for a couple of years.

And I think around the time that
my second baby was born, either, I

forget if it was like before or right
after, but around that time, um, I was

like looking for SAS ideas and that
thing was just kind of in the corner.

It's called teleprompter me at the time.

And so I decided to like wrap that
up and repackage it as a SAS because

it was free, but I had a newsletter.

Um, of people that were expecting V2.

I, I always talked about like a V2.

Um, so people knew like another one
was coming or update for it was coming.

And so around the time I had the
second baby, I launched it and

it kind of just grew from there.

Kevin Griffin: I always
find it fascinating.

Uh, we were talking a little bit
earlier, a mutual friend of ours, uh,

Dave Sedia, who's been on the show.

Uh, his product Recut came out of kind
of the same squirrel moment of I he

wanted to create content, but in order
to create content, you have to build

a tool to help you build the content.

Corey Griffin: of course you have to.

Kevin Griffin: I feel like, you know,
just developers in general make horrible

entrepreneurs in this case, because we
always want to build the tools and we

worry about the tools and the technology
more than we do the actual product.

Corey Griffin: And it's funny.

It doesn't stop because I even have
like so many like custom tools that I've

built to help me with speak flow now.

So like, I guess, I guess deep, I
guess just layer on layer on top of

like, well, I want to do that before
I do that, I have to do X, Y, and Z.

And so I have a whole meta stack
of stuff on top of speak flow.

Yeah.

Kevin Griffin: there anything in
the stack of tools you've built for

speak flow that You think could be
their own products by themselves.

Corey Griffin: Um, specifically
around like just customer support,

um, that became such a big thing.

I think just the nature of the
product, um, is very accessible.

Um, so I get a lot of people that
kind of come in and kick the tires,

have questions, and I'm happy
to talk to customers about it.

And yeah, we've, I've just needed the
way, like some of the things we built

recently was like customer scoring, um,
integrations with Slack, like using chat

GPT to like, Do certain things like some,
Oh, this person is probably important.

We might want to follow up with them.

So I have like a little
Jarvis helper in my Slack.

Um, all sorts of like little jobs
that run daily that tell me like, you

know, this person came in from there.

You should route them to like, yeah,
there's definitely a couple products

worth of stuff on top of speak low that
I want to launch like spinoff separately.

Kevin Griffin: And you said speak flow.

So it started as what was it?

Teleprompter dot me

Corey Griffin: It was called

Kevin Griffin: original name of it.

Corey Griffin: dot me.

Yeah.

Kevin Griffin: Okay.

And that was a free product
with a mailing list.

What pushed you to start
charging for it as a product?

Corey Griffin: I just needed an idea.

Like I had tried so many.

Products.

Um, and that one was free and it seemed
like it was too little to charge for

like, it was just like all my tools.

Like, and I have a couple, like
I have like swole dot fitness.

I don't even know if that's still
alive, but like during the pandemic,

I wanted like an interval timer.

Cause I was really into like
hit workouts, um, high, high

intensity interval training, right?

So you would need like,
okay, I'm going to do.

This for one minute, this
for two minutes, whatever.

So I launched that tool and a
lot of the stuff I launched was

like just little free tools.

Um, and I started to
relaunch the teleprompter.

me as a pay tool because, I
think the email list got up

to like a couple of thousand.

I want to say like.

Five to eight, somewhere around there.

It was like a lot of people.

And so I was like, well, there's
clearly like, it was kind of

like, why am I ignoring this?

Like, like, why not put the
effort into like rebuilding this

thing that I have thousands of
people, you know, checking for.

So it was kind of just like pulling
up a stone that you forgot about.

It's like, Oh, there's a whole little
cave under here that I could explore.

So, yeah.

Kevin Griffin: What was the process?

You rebuilt the tool and then you just,
you started charging for it afterwards.

Corey Griffin: So, um, the first
version was like just plain HTML,

CSS, JavaScript, like no build, no
compilers, it was literally like index.

html.

And I think I had like the
JavaScript in the HTML file, even

like it was a very simple setup.

Um, there was no like user
system or anything like that.

Um, and then when I decided to
rebuild it, I was, I think I tried

like buy me a coffee to see like,
Hey, I'm working on this new thing.

If you want like beta access to it,
that's the kind of like validate

will people actually pay me for it.

And a couple of people did.

Um, so that was.

That felt good.

Um, I think I use another service too.

I forgot what it was called.

Like, I don't want to
pay here or something.

Pay me that CEO, something like that.

Um, so I did like some minor
validation around like, you know,

like, Hey, the new one's coming,
get the like early bird pricing

just to see if anybody would do it.

So enough people signed up for that.

And that's what made me
go ahead and rebuild it.

And I just built it with rails.

Um, And no, no, like start, there's
a lot of starter kits out around

now, but like at the time it was just
kind of like devise rails, right?

Set up really simple.

Kevin Griffin: You had to do
all the, the lifting yourself.

It's why you had to build so many
tools for supporting SpeakFlow.

Corey Griffin: I think
that's just a force of habit.

Yeah,

Kevin Griffin: just kind of
the timeline of SpeakFlow.

How far are we from when you
made your first dollar from it?

Corey Griffin: it's kind of
hard to say I want the range

of like three or four years.

I don't recall exactly, but it's
been a couple of years now for sure.

Kevin Griffin: Now, and then this whole
time you're working a full time job.

How much would you say?

So you obviously work
in your full time job.

How much time are you devoting to
speak flow as, as a side thing?

Is it kind of your primary
side thing, or were you doing

other things at the same time?

Corey Griffin: No, honestly, like
I've had like a lot of products.

Like I do music, um, like I release music.

Um, Like on distros, uh, I've gotten
a couple syncs with shows with music.

Uh, I do photography.

Um, Client work like shooting family.

I love like doing like family portraits
and stuff So, um, I don't do it as

much anymore But like around that
time, um, I was like really distracted

by a lot of stuff with the kids

and like, like online magazines, I had a
thing called a rebel, like a Twitter bot.

I was trying to do like, that
was like automated music news.

Like it was great.

All the top music sites and then
like tweet the most popular stories.

And that was like trying to like make
my own distribution for my own music.

So every once in a while I
could tweet my own stuff.

Uh, But yeah, just a ton of little things.

It was always just kind
of off to the side.

Like even after I made a SaaS,
it was just like, it's there,

but wasn't my main focus.

Kevin Griffin: Eventually you had to
get to the point where you quit your

job at Apple and I'm assuming speak
flow was a major part of that decision

of going full time are not really
full time, but going full time for

yourself and quitting your day job.

What was the criteria kind of held
yourself to to lead up to that

moment where you put in your notice?

Corey Griffin: Um, it was probably
about two years ago when I really

started getting like, maybe I tend
to get like obsessive about things.

Um, but like, I, it was like the
building public thing was like in

full swing, like the whole like indie
hacker community, um, product tent.

I think product was maybe even a little
bit before that, but just, there was a lot

of like energy around like SAS and build
your own thing and all that kind of stuff.

So that's when I decided
like, okay, I have to focus.

So I stopped freelancing.

I think I tweeted this at
some point, but I was like, I

stopped, I stopped freelancing.

I kind of like put my side projects
on hold, like just let them go and

really just double down on speak flow.

Um, but what that looked like
was like five to 10 hours a week.

Like it wasn't a ton of time.

I want us to be able to replace my salary.

Um, in short.

So, uh, the goal was if, I mean,
I, I, I applied to Apple like

four times and like, from when I
graduated college in like 2015.

That was always my goal.

Like specifically Apple, like
people say thing, but it was

like, I'm a huge Apple fan boy.

I don't care.

I'm shameless about it.

I love Apple even now, like leaving.

So, um, to leave Apple was
kind of just like, all right.

Um, being here itself is opportunity.

It's a dream come true being here.

So if I do leave, it needs to be.

Like worth opportunity and I
kind of just kept putting it off.

But what kind of ended up like the
catalyst for me leaving was really like,

I have family that had gotten sick.

I was dealing with a lot of
like mental health issues.

And, uh, there's a lot of stuff like
coinciding where it's just like,

okay, I have this opportunity time.

Isn't.

You know, promised, right?

So you have to just kind of go for it.

And it was like coinciding,
like the end of the year.

So I'm like 2024 new year, new
me, that's cliche, whatever.

It worked out, it worked out for me.

And I just wanted to just try to just
jump, like, um, I turned 30 last year.

So that was like, another thing was
just like, you know, time is marching

on, you have things you want to do,
like, let's get to it, you know?

So, um, I quit because I realized I.

Could pay myself at least my base salary.

I'm still not matching like the stock
benefits and all that kind of stuff.

But I was able to like swap the job
without any notice to like my family.

Like there's no difference
in lifestyle or anything.

That was what it was.

I knew my criteria.

Was I didn't want it to jeopardize
anything personally, like for my family,

like I could take an L personally, but
I didn't want like my, I can't buy toys

for my kids or me and my wife can't go
out for dates and all that kind of stuff.

I wasn't really willing to sacrifice that.

Kevin Griffin: And I think more
testament, you're in California.

It's not like you're leaving in, uh,
for lack of a better term, like podunk

Corey Griffin: Yeah.

Kevin Griffin: States, like Midwest
where there's nothing, uh, where the

cost of living is in like 10, 000 a year.

It's not like you're a, Way below
your means you're, you're living in,

let's just say a state that usually
requires a higher, higher cost of living

Corey Griffin: Yeah.

Yeah.

Kevin Griffin: doing really well to
maintain that status quo that you

had previously at a fairly large.

Like Silicon Valley company.

Um, so I, so you're doing well.

And so is that income just kind of,
not like talking numbers or anything,

but like the, the income is that
primarily from speak flow or is it also

the combination of the other things
you're doing on the, on the side?

Corey Griffin: Um, it's a mix.

It's definitely like, I will say
a huge chunk of it, probably like

80, 90 percent plus is just speak
flow, but I still, um, do music.

Uh, I don't really do photography as
much anymore, but I definitely have

like consulting clients that just like
linger, like, you know, like you have like

the people that just, you can't, yeah.

So I don't take on new clients,
but I definitely have people

who are like, you know, that.

Um, they're just like, I've
had those clients for years.

So like they'll need little
updates here and there.

So I do that, but yeah, it's a
lion's share of it is speak flow

Kevin Griffin: What's the
ideal scenario for you.

Like if you had to choose how you wake
up every day, are you living that now?

Or what's, uh, is there
anything you would change?

Corey Griffin: I make enough, right?

Like if I don't make any more, if
it's people, it doesn't grow anymore.

Like I'm definitely like solid, like.

I'm happy enough.

Like we did the remodel
before I quit on my house.

So like we have enough space.

We have enough money Uh, I live
in south central so I maybe would

want to live in a better area
But even like now like it's fine.

I grew up here.

Like it's not like it is in the movies.

Um, uh, yeah No, I I would
say i'm pretty much living it.

The only thing I would change would be
um day to day It's a lot of adjustment.

Like, I'm definitely not like working
out as much as I want to, or reading as

much as I want to, like, it's that kind
of stuff where I feel like I have like a

lot of room for improvement, but, uh, in
terms of overall lifestyle, like, no, I

would say it's another dream come true.

Like, like Apple is a dream
working for yourself as a dream.

And I will say that's definitely
checked off feeling good.

Kevin Griffin: Yeah.

So is Speakflow in particular where you
see yourself working for the next, say

five years, 10 years, or are there other
initiatives you have on your list that

you'd like to, to go off and work on?

Corey Griffin: I want to try
the like VC backed route.

Um, and just, I don't know, it's weird.

Cause I feel like I tend to get
pushed back when I like talk to

my friends about the idea, but it
was like, I just want to try it.

Right.

Like that's the whole thing is
like, so I tried the job thing.

I tried the self employed thing
and VC is like self employed in

general, but like having like a team
running a team, getting management

experience, um, you know, being a CEO.

I don't want to say like some giant
company, but like, you know, just trying

it really is just one of the goals there.

So that's probably what I'll do next.

Kevin Griffin: So Speakflow.

It's just you, right?

Uh, do you have any contractors
or employees that work

for you with speak flow

Corey Griffin: Yeah.

So I have, it's me and then I have.

Like two part time contractors and one
person is kind of like graphic design.

He's he's really hard.

I hired my best friend.

So like, he's like genius.

I always say he's the
smartest person I know.

Um, and he just has a
really wide skill set.

So he could do like graphic design,
product thinking systems, design thinking.

Um, Brilliant dude.

And then I have my sister who's customer
support and she's a stay at home mom.

So she has plenty of time.

Like she's all like, you know, she's down.

So, you know, hire her.

And that was just like
an easy call as well.

So just those two.

Kevin Griffin: were good?

If you were to go the V.

C.

Route with speak flow, what's
the first thing you would want

to hire higher to help with?

What?

What would the V.

C.

Help you with?

Corey Griffin: Um, it would be, I mean,
it would be with a separate idea for sure.

Um, not speak flow, but

Kevin Griffin: Okay,
going a different route.

Corey Griffin: Yeah, it would be like a
different, and I have ideas, um, that I'm

playing around with in regards to that,
but I really would just want to use that

as an excuse to like, learn from like,
hire like a head of marketing and see what

they do compared to like, how I, you know,
what I do with speak floor, like, um, hire

like a architect level software engineer.

Like, I'm like, I'm senior
level, but there's still plenty

enough that I don't know.

And I would love to like,
talk about, but that's like.

an issue I have now where it's like,
there's nobody to talk to, right?

Like at the other jobs, like if you
need, like, Hey, I'm not sure about how

to do this, you could just walk all,
you know, wall over somebody and here

it's just like, maybe a couple of Slack
channels here and there or Slack groups,

but like, you know, having somebody
that's really in the trenches with you

and that cares, that's for sure missing.

So that's what I would look for.

Just excuse to hire and learn from
people that are better than me.

Yeah,

Kevin Griffin: Yeah.

I fully understand.

There's something about having
that partner that you have a Yeah.

Like a mutual goal.

You just want the product to succeed.

You want it to grow bigger, better.

And, uh, like Slack
groups and mutual friends.

They're great, but they don't have
that mutual, uh, success goal that

you have for yourself and they're
not thinking about long term.

They're thinking about just
answering your question.

Um, and having that person on the
team that goes, I have a great idea.

I think this will help
us for the next 23 years.

If we do X, Y and Z.

Uh, I definitely missed that part
about being on like a small team.

Startup team and be able to
just riff off each other.

That's so important.

Corey Griffin: I mean, I find that
it's usually like the context, like

you get folks that like care, right?

Like, like you're in the same, um,
like Slack group and it might be like.

You, I could ask you something and
I know you care genuinely about my

problem, but you don't have the context
of why I might do a certain thing

or like really how I like to work or
like the company history, where we're

going and all that kind of stuff.

So I would say like, it's not
that you can't get like authentic

help, but it's just even context.

Like even if somebody really
wanted to help you, they just can

help you probably to the depth
that I will be looking for right

Kevin Griffin: just be
careful when you take the VC.

Don't go off and build the tool
to build the thing for the VC.

You gotta be careful.

I don't think they like that.

Corey Griffin: Exactly.

Yeah.

Kevin Griffin: Corey, I think you had
mentioned earlier that you had worked

on a bunch of other little things kind
of leading up to eventually starting

and moving forward with speak flow.

Uh, can you talk about some of the
things that You have either failed on

or things that started working, but
you decided not to work on anymore.

Corey Griffin: Yeah.

I've had a lot of failures.

Uh, the first thing I think I launched
when I was like 14 was called, uh,

uh, it's like an image uploader.

I forgot the name of it.

It was an image uploader, but I
learned a lesson about like, why

you don't put an image uploader
for free up on the internet.

Basically.

Um, it was just like, Trashed
and you know, people avoiding

all sorts of crap to it.

Um, I think it got hacked is
why I ended up shutting out.

Cause I was like learning SQL and PHP,
like just vanilla PHP at the time.

I don't even, these
people say vanilla PHP.

I don't even know, but it was
just, it was like no framework.

It was like, I think before like
composer, I think it's a PHP thing.

I don't use PHP, you can
tell anymore, but, um.

Uh, that was the first thing.

Um, what was the other ones?

I did art community, like a deviant
art, um, community after that.

And that actually did pretty
well, but we shut down.

Cause I think I was like 16 and I
couldn't afford the hosting bill.

I didn't have a job and I
was like partnering with it.

Um, I was actually just the,
the programmer for my friend

who was like the leader of it.

Uh, uh, Nate Milburn.

Uh, I don't know.

And.

After that, I did TuneCub,
which was a music tool.

So I would make songs and then you make
the cover art, but it was, it would be

kind of hard, like if you weren't, like,
if you didn't know editing software.

It would basically, you upload an
image, upload the song and it combines

it for you so that you can post it on
like Instagram and stuff like that.

Um, and that was, yeah, that was kind of
like the first lesson, like, like making

stuff for musicians doesn't tend to work
out cause none of us have any money.

So it was like, not like nobody
wants to pay for anything.

So it was like, I think it
just wasn't going to work out,

especially not as a SAS idea.

Um, so that, that just didn't
pan out cause it was a lot

of like uploading again.

It was like an uploading thing.

Um, so there was a lot of, uh, what
was the issue with, I'm trying to

remember, like there was an issue why
that one struck down, but it was a

hosting cost thing again with that one.

And then also.

People were using it to upload porn.

So you'll find that was like, I
keep running into that problem.

Cause every time I make something
where people can upload stuff, uh, that

also happened with HypeLink, right.

And HypeLink was the first
thing that kind of took off.

It was like a link tree type service.

Um.

And it was like, crypto
was huge at the time.

So there was like a lot of crypto
spam and people were using hypelink

to market like the crypto stuff.

Also, uh, the porn porn
people, but they were fine.

But it was like only fan people were
like, cause you couldn't link directly

to only fans, I guess from Instagram.

So they would like put their only
fans link on Instagram on hypelink.

Um, and that actually led to, uh,
Instagram blocking it because I wasn't

doing like a good moderation job.

So they blocked it and that
pretty much killed the product,

even though it was taking off.

I think that one got up to
like a couple of hundred MRR.

Um, so that, that sucks, but It was
like, that pretty much killed it.

That pretty much killed
all my motivation for me.

Cause I was like, reaching
out to them and saying like,

you know, like, what can I do?

I'm a one person team, you
know, like, work with me.

I never even heard a response back.

So I was just like, womp womp.

Uh, and that was, those
were like the big three.

I mentioned like the
Twitter bot, um, ToonCup.

Oh, then there was crudely drawn
love letters, so it was hand

drawn like with marker, like
Crayola, it was me and my friend.

Um, and we will both just
draw them and mail it out.

I think it was like 10.

It ranked pretty well on product.

And I want to say it did like
number four or something.

Um, the founder of, I forgot, I'm
blanking on his name, the founder

of product tent at the time, um, he
liked tweeted out or something too.

It was cool.

But anyway, we got way
more than we thought.

And we like, we're hand drawing, like,
I don't even know, like a hundred

or more of these little things.

And we, and it was like a couple
of days, it was around this time.

So it was like, I have the idea like a
couple of days before Valentine's day.

So it was also a rush because
we have to ship it in time so

that we can get it sent out.

Um, but that was like, from the first
time I experienced like the high of like.

The stripe notifications
are just coming in.

And like, it was like cool,
but it starts to get stressful.

Cause like every ping was like, dang,
now I got to think of an idea to draw.

Cause.

We weren't copying them.

It was like new ideas.

Like, okay, like you are my sunshine,
like, it was like one of them was like,

you are my sunshine and then it was like
a son with like a little weird, like

almost like a Rick and Morty type, like
creepy, like cute, but cute kind of,

kind of a smile thing going on anyway.

Yeah.

But you don't want to, uh,
hand draw service thing.

It's not, it's not a good idea.

Kevin Griffin: Sounds like nowadays
you could do Dolly with a 3D printer

and you just say, all right, come up
with an ID idea and then like draw.

Just draw the picture, and then someone's
there to collect all the pictures.

And maybe that's the

Corey Griffin: I wanted
to relaunch it this year.

And that was an idea that was like
using the dolly thing, but I was like,

I wasn't sure if like the appeal of
it was the fact that it was like.

Like on the Instagram, we were showing
like, look, we're drawing it right now.

It's just us.

And it would be random too.

Like you couldn't order a specific one.

It would just be like, whatever
we drew, that's what you get.

People will post them on Instagram.

Yeah.

Kevin Griffin: really think
it's the novelty of it.

Like there's the business that
sends potato messages, the people.

So it's like something written
on a potato, like it's.

Not a scalable business.

Like they probably have a bunch of
people writing the same message or

two on, on a bunch of potatoes, but
it's the, it's the novelty of it.

So in a couple months, we're not going to
hear about that, that business anymore.

Something that you said kind of
in the pre show was the, the high

of the Stripe notifications, like.

Just that, that dopamine hit of
knowing I put something out there

and someone's paying for it.

Corey Griffin: Yeah.

Yeah.

Kevin Griffin: like, has
that kind of helped you?

I am sure with Speakflow, now you
kind of have the reoccurring revenue.

Does that help a lot in the, the
motivation to continue what you're doing?

Corey Griffin: Yeah.

I mean, I'm, I really like it in terms
of like helping other people do it.

So for example, my brother is a guitarist
and, um, he's launching some more like

products, like digital products, physical
products, but I helped him set up like an

online store and he made like 1, 000 from
like, um, a guitar pack is called like,

so he sells like basically like a guitar
pack that other producers can use like in

their productions and that did super well.

So like helping kind of like.

Living it vicariously through other
people is something that I love, like

helping like those clients when they
launch something and I'm like, look,

hook up your strap account, tweet it out.

And then the money comes in.

It's like, I love that feeling.

So like, I do look for like
little places to edge it out.

But for me, it's, it's definitely like,
I get the notice the daily, like, Oh,

this is yesterday you made this much.

I'm just like, nice.

Like, that's crazy.

Yeah.

Kevin Griffin: When we were
doing a product a long time

ago, I used to love the, the.

Regular emails you get from Stripe
that says, this is your payouts coming.

And this is how much your payouts can be.

I'm like, yes, that's the best email.

Corey Griffin: Yeah, for sure.

Kevin Griffin: already taken the fees out.

You know, I get, you know, I get enough
money for a, a big Mac at McDonald's

and I'm feeling good about this.

Corey Griffin: Yeah.

It's funny because things start to
like, uh, you start to budget for

things like in terms of how much like
you're like, how much you bring it in.

Right.

So it'd be like, well, I want that.

It seems expensive.

It's like, that's, that's like a week.

That's like a week of speak flow.

I could do that.

That becomes like your new
measurement of money as well.

Yeah.

Kevin Griffin: Well, Corey, uh,
just kind of wrapping things up.

Is there anything you like to
promote other than a speak flow?

We'll drop it in our show notes.

Corey Griffin: Not really social media.

I follow me.

I'm like, I'm trying to like, I'm,
I'm pretty quiet on social media,

but this year, one of my goals is
to like, start like being on more

podcasts, being more public about stuff.

So definitely follow me is at
I am Corey G on everything.

I'm on blue sky, uh, X,
Instagram, uh, threads.

I got a blog.

I am core g.

com.

Uh, my Spotify is Corey G.

You could follow me, check
out my music on there.

Kevin Griffin: Just, uh, put it on
repeat and you get a couple of pennies.

Right.

Corey Griffin: yeah.

A couple, couple of fractions of a penny.

There you go.

Kevin Griffin: yeah.

All right.

We'll do our best.

Corey Griffin: Yeah,

Kevin Griffin: Well, Corey, it
was a pleasure chatting with you.

And like I tell everyone, we'll have
to have you back in a year or so,

and just kind of see where everything
is and give the community a checkup.

Corey Griffin: yeah.

I'm

Kevin Griffin: I really appreciate
you having you on the show.

Corey Griffin: All right.

Yeah.

Thanks for having me.

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